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I'm disturbed by the way you are framing Russell's quote as to be dividing knowledge into three domains, as though three equal branches of government. In fact, he is saying science is knowledge and religion is not; it is dogma. He was a lifelong atheist.

Russell is not saying theology produces knowledge of metaphysics. He is saying theology produces dogma about what lies beyond knowledge. That distinction is everything.

Russell’s actual epistemic hierarchy is that 1. Science is knowledge (fallible, but evidential). 2. Philosophy is provisional inquiry, conceptual clarification. 3. Theology is dogma, belief without evidence. Russell’s language is deliberately disparaging toward theology. He is not granting it a legitimate metaphysical method—he is cordoning it off!

This is perfectly consistent with Russell’s lifelong atheism and his hostility to metaphysical claims not grounded in logic or science.

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No Man's Land makes philosophy sound marginal, the in-between ground of two warring sides. A contemporary British philosopher of Russell, Isaiah Berlin, proposed philosophy as the pioneering tradition. Philosophers come up with the new questions, and when these begin to be answered by science in a reliable way, it moves on.

Isn't mathematics and logic philosophy rather than science? Science is about the physical world and therefore always empirical. Mathematics is based on a set of metaphysical axioms. I believe that neither Plato nor Aristotle considered math a science, even though it serves as a tool for the sciences. (Physics is mostly math.)

There is also much philosophy "of" the sciences, i.e. philosophy of biology (which biologists follow regularly). I grant, the bulk of philosophy of biology is rather more recent than Russell.

I appreciate your attempt to parallelize theology with science because they both have traditions and methods. ("Science too must believe by tradition and faith.) However, the two are about very different domains of knowledge. Theology pursues knowledge of the supernatural which is beyond human knowledge. It is paradoxical and self defeating. Science, on the other hand, is the pursuit of knowledge of the natural world, and very much in our epistemological capacity. There have been theologians who considered themselves much like scientists in their approach, but no matter their tradition or method, they are in pursuit of the unattainable. Theologians' drive to frame morality must also be seen as pursuit of supernatural knowledge as, for them, morality exists because of god. Theo = god. The moment a theologian begins to pursue the natural world exclusive of the supernatural, she is no longer a theologian.

Note that I place mathematics and logic in the natural realm.

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